Closing down... opening up

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby digger » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:42 am

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby annie » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:42 pm

Chorlton's last proper DIY shop is closing down.

Homecare in Barlow Moor Road (near Hardy Lane) is finally giving up the ghost after struggling for years. Used to get xmas tress from there.

Sad, but typical of the times. I reckon DIY will be a lost art in 20 years time, because many of today's young folks don't like getting their hands dirty. (They also have no discernible skills whatsoever. Many can't even change a plug. Many. Not all.)

I do, however, predict a colossal growth in the demand for plumbers, electricians, plasterers and decorators.
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby firenze » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:21 am

The great medical disaster is opening up as a DIY shop, which is what it used to be originally as was Oddest!
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby Louise » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:07 pm

It was. I brought a front door for my house there. They did wood and joinery and nails and the one where Oddest is did mousetraps and hanging airers. They were both sorely missed.

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby skywalker » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:00 pm

annie wrote:many of today's young folks don't like getting their hands dirty. (They also have no discernible skills whatsoever. Many can't even change a plug. Many. Not all.)


too true :(

i used to attend a little shool (12 students) in longsight, our teacher (who knows little about electronics) decided to teach the class how to wire a lamp holder to some flex to a switch to a flex to a PLUG and PLUG IT IN!
i ended up teaching HIM what to do... lol.

anyway, a couple of the kids through up a fuss about it because they couldn't be bothered. the teacher (who was about 57 or something) said:
"so what about in the future if you have a wife or girlfriend and the cable for her iron or hair straighteners is damaged. don't you want to be able to put a new plug on rather than going out and buying a new pair?"

to which he replied something along the lines of...
"rhaaz man why am i gonna want to waste my time messin around wiv a stoopid plug? i'll go to the shop and buy a new one, rhazz" or something.

its a shame that this is how the vast majority of 'youngsters' think now days :cry: :x :evil:
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby Dave32 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:09 pm

It does seem sad at first sight, but you know, things move on.

I can change a lightbulb, a plug, tile the bathroom, wire a shower, give my car an oil change. Just like my dad could. But I won't darn a pair of socks like he would. I'd throw them away and buy a new pair.

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby skywalker » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:49 pm

i guess you're right. its still a shame that most of the human race is turning to couch potatoes though (or so it seems!)
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby annie » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:12 pm

Dave32 wrote:It does seem sad at first sight, but you know, things move on.

I can change a lightbulb, a plug, tile the bathroom, wire a shower, give my car an oil change. Just like my dad could. But I won't darn a pair of socks like he would. I'd throw them away and buy a new pair.



I can change a lightbulb, wire a plug, rewire a house to IEEE certified standards, plumb in plastic or copper to C&G standards, fit central heating, repair amplifiers, TVs and all types electricky gigets.... repair laptops, desktops... diagnose to registry level,... install and administer MS AD networks, design websites, configure webservers

>runs out of breath<

But I'm still in the poorhouse.

And I'm a geek.
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby skywalker » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:29 pm

annie wrote:
Dave32 wrote:It does seem sad at first sight, but you know, things move on.

I can change a lightbulb, a plug, tile the bathroom, wire a shower, give my car an oil change. Just like my dad could. But I won't darn a pair of socks like he would. I'd throw them away and buy a new pair.



I can change a lightbulb, wire a plug, rewire a house to IEEE certified standards, plumb in plastic or copper to C&G standards, fit central heating, repair amplifiers, TVs and all types electricky gigets.... repair laptops, desktops... diagnose to registry level,... install and administer MS AD networks, design websites, configure webservers

>runs out of breath<

But I'm still in the poorhouse.

And I'm a geek.


you are a woman and can do all that!? WOW!

i'm joking...

would you be up for sharing some skills in the future? (at least 3 months away, probabl more like 6) i want to build a NAS and media server and blah blah but i veered away from learning about computers in favour of other things a couple of years ago so don't know much past the basics. books are good but can only help you so much.
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby pauld » Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:52 am

Before I owned a house my only skill was phoning the landlord to do repairs. Once you own your own house and find out how much electricians/plumbers/tradesmen cost, you start learning pretty quick.

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby p7r » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:37 am

Dave32 wrote:It does seem sad at first sight, but you know, things move on.

I can change a lightbulb, a plug, tile the bathroom, wire a shower, give my car an oil change. Just like my dad could. But I won't darn a pair of socks like he would. I'd throw them away and buy a new pair.


Just as an aside, most modern appliances have plugs that can't be changed for safety reasons (the wire can't be pulled from it). Changing a plug therefore only remains a useful life skill if you have a lot of electronic devices made pre-1990s. That's why it's dying out.

As to tiling a bathroom, wiring a shower or giving a car an oil change, I'd like to argue against you doing that, for two reasons:

1. Your time as a non-expert is probably best spent doing something else. I know I could probably learn those things, but it would take me perhaps 3-4 hours research to work out how to put in a new shower and most of a weekend to do it. The quality of the finish would be average. I don't get much time off, and I'd rather an expert spent a morning doing it and for me to have my weekend to do other things, returning to find a new shower with a very high quality of finish installed.

2. Tradable assets and skills is the foundation of civilisation, and trading them is important for society to be healthy. In the same way I out-source my hunting and gathering to Morrisons or Asda, I can out-source other tasks to experts who get to earn a living.

If I walked into a restaurant and told the waiter to get lost as I'd be dealing with the spam - sorry directly myself in order to save a bit of money, people would think me both rude and slightly mad. So it is with trades such as electrics, plastering, tiling, plumbing, car mechanics, etc. By me learning to do those things I might become "self-sufficient", but I am taking away some sufficiency from another human being.

I have a whole bunch of skills that are commercially viable that I am glad others want to hire me for rather than learn themselves, much like most trades do. So when I go out to look for a person rather than do something myself, I don't consider it "lazy" or that I am somehow being clueless about the situation - I'm taking the money earned in my specialist niche area and spreading it to support the living of another person's specialist niche area. I certainly don't consider it a bad thing.

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby disappointedofm21 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:44 am

If I walked into a restaurant and told the waiter to get lost as I'd be dealing with the spam - sorry directly myself in order to save a bit of money, people would think me both rude and slightly mad



That did make me chortle. Definitely going to give it a go. "Out of my way, I speak to the chef himself or you do not get my business.."

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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby annie » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:08 am

skywalker wrote:
you are a woman and can do all that!? WOW!

i'm joking...

would you be up for sharing some skills in the future? (at least 3 months away, probabl more like 6) i want to build a NAS and media server and blah blah but i veered away from learning about computers in favour of other things a couple of years ago so don't know much past the basics. books are good but can only help you so much.


Yeah probably :)

I'm designing a home media solution for a friend at the moment as it happens. My own house is networked and can run digital media anywhere.
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby annie » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:14 am

p7r wrote:Just as an aside, most modern appliances have plugs that can't be changed for safety reasons (the wire can't be pulled from it). Changing a plug therefore only remains a useful life skill if you have a lot of electronic devices made pre-1990s. That's why it's dying out.


Moulded plugs can fail after regular use due to their sealed nature. Cheap manufacture can lead to stress on the solder joints. That's why it's still an important skill.


As to tiling a bathroom, wiring a shower or giving a car an oil change, I'd like to argue against you doing that, for two reasons:


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The learning of a skill should be excuse enough to do it, as it make you a more intelligent, self-sufficient individual. Pride in creating something rather than just handing over bits of paper to a person in ill-fitting overalls.
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Re: Closing down... opening up

Postby skywalker » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:20 am

pauld wrote:Before I owned a house my only skill was phoning the landlord to do repairs. Once you own your own house and find out how much electricians/plumbers/tradesmen cost, you start learning pretty quick.


i used to go to my grandads house every weekend in the countryside. he bought a tiny cottage and spent the next 25 years 'extending' it (the original cottage is only about 1/3 of the house now) by hand. so he thought me how to brick lay, wire plugs and sockets, lay floorboards, fish wires etc, etc and from that i went on to teach myself about other stuff like alarms and cctv.

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