Street Names??

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:04 am

skywalker wrote:i know a guy who owns a house on every street in manchester :D


and there's a pub on every street in manchester too

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:25 am

digger wrote:Egerton refers to Baron Egerton of Tatton, who owned much of the land in the Chorlton/Whalley Range area.

I believe either he, or one of his sons, was named "Wilbraham" as well, hence Wilbraham Road.


Yes that's correct. They also had links to the 3rd Duke of Buckingham and Chandos - possibly explains the naming of Chandos and Buckingham roads.
William Egerton's sister had married someone with links to Brantingham Thorpe - maybe the reason for the naming of Brantingham road?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbraham_Egerton

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Re: Street Names??

Postby ash pole » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:21 pm

Stevieboy wrote:and there's a pub on every street in manchester too


i've ridden a bike down every street in manchester.

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Re: Street Names??

Postby TossPot » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:01 pm

Now this may be (sub)urban myth, but I've previously been told that on of the Lords Egerton was a teetotaler and consequently areas of the former Egerton estate carry covenants restricting / preventing the land being used for Public Houses (and this being the reason for the dearth of pubs in the area to the north of BMR and in Whalley Range). Does anyone know if this is truth or myth, or maybe somewhere in between?
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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:16 pm

Yes I was told that by an elderly gent who has lived on Brantingham road for years and years.
He also said that there was a covenant that states no building can be erected which would be taller than the spire of St Werburgh's church. Dunno if it's true though.
Any ideas how it could be confirmed? Apart from checking with Planning.
I tried googling but nothing so far.

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Re: Street Names??

Postby digger » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:59 pm

May be a confluence of urban myths here, but I was under the impression that a large part of Whalley Range was under that covenant banning public houses. Something about the land having been owned by a Quaker and only being sold on the proviso that there were no beery shenanigans. So maybe old Eggy was a Quaker? Dunno. Anyway the rumour went on that the covenant expired in 2002, so I guess the only reason we haven't seen a massive influx of pubs into The Range is the present dire economic climate? :cry:
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Re: Street Names??

Postby Pearl » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:17 pm

Another one for Manchester's splendid local history library?
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:39 pm

A great resource.
Anyone researching stuff using Manchester City council web sites should be aware that they more often than not use present Council Ward Boundaries when giving locations rather than the Land registry/Post office locations.

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Paula Pickle » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:54 pm

As Louise says, Corkland Rd used to be Cavendish Rd, but it carried on across St Weburghs Rd. So for many years there were 2 unconnected bits, separated by the "Chorlton High School" The bit behind the new Metro Station is now Caddington Rd.
How interesting is that!

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Louise » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:22 pm

I was brought up and went to school not so far from Tatton. The Egertons had owned lots of property within riding distance of Tatton. They were not Quakers or tee totallers. I knew a lot of people who had worked on the estate. Rumour was that Lymm was a comfortable ride away and the penultimate Lord Egerton had sired a fair few bastard children, being brought up by their single mothers in Estate cottages at a discreet distance from Tatton Park. The final Lord Egerton, Maurice had very different interests to his father and never married. He was an energetic supporter of local boys clubs and would invite them round to swim in the mere and he always joined them in the water in spite of his lordly status.

When we bought our house in Albany Rd there was a covenant in the deeds which was quite specific about what alterations we could do to the house and anything really drastic had to be run across the Egerton estate. I think it was their way of maintaining some control over the area as it developed.

Incidentally, the man who built the houses on the first part of Brantingham for some reason, he may have been a Quaker decided to build a common space between the houses on Manley and Brantingham. The gardens backed on to it and it was intended as a place where people could socialise and children could play safely. Eventually the land was sold to the people who owned the adjoining houses. but it was a nice idea while it lasted.

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Re: Street Names??

Postby annie » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:25 pm

Chorlton has a lot weird road things going on.

How ever did Rye Bank Road get split up by that big tract o'land.
Why are there two Manchester Roads?? (Proving the whole road renaming deal a complete load of bollox)
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Re: Street Names??

Postby ash pole » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:07 pm

annie wrote:Why are there two Manchester Roads?? (Proving the whole road renaming deal a complete load of bollox)


I think it's one road, but when the precinct was built it got split in two.

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:37 am

This is from 1905. As you can see St Werburgh's church is there but not the road. No Brantingham road. Egerton Road is split (it starts again at the junction of Clarendon road - not on this pic). Weird to see an area that is now full of houses - on both sides of Wilbaraham road - as just open land.
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Re: Street Names??

Postby Louise » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:49 am

annie wrote:Chorlton has a lot weird road things going on.

How ever did Rye Bank Road get split up by that big tract o'land.
Why are there two Manchester Roads?? (Proving the whole road renaming deal a complete load of bollox)


Louise wrote:Zetland Rd was Holland Rd. Corkland Rd was Cavendish Rd. God knows where they got Corkland from. Brantingham Rd had another name but I cant remember it. Manchester Rd was all one road until they knocked down the middle length of houses and built the precinct, effectively cutting it into two pieces.


Make the next one a double Annie/

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Re: Street Names??

Postby Stevieboy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:51 am

Just as an aside, does anyone know anything about the plot of land in the middle of the block that is Manley road, Abbotsford road, Clarendon road and Egerton road? I originally thought the gardens from those house went right the way back but having walked past it loads, it kind of looks like allotments.


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