Manchester house price rise higher than London

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby Mr Squirrel » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:30 pm

No, I don't have a problem with it - there's clearly a demand. I was just pointing out that your statement about "literally no burger vans in Greater Manchester" is well off the mark.
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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby Pearl » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:45 pm

I hesitate to enter this one, but aren't there still several food vans in Hulme?

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby blenkinsop » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:08 pm

Mr Squirrel wrote:No, I don't have a problem with it - there's clearly a demand. I was just pointing out that your statement about "literally no burger vans in Greater Manchester" is well off the mark.


Sorry to repeat myself, but you are refering to the borough of Trafford, where fortunately for them, Manchester City Council has no sway. Maybe I should have said areas under the control of Manchester City Council (as opposed to Greater Manchester).

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby gitface » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:30 pm

Pearl wrote:I hesitate to enter this one, but aren't there still several food vans in Hulme?

And Oxford Road. And Piccadilly Gardens. And Market Street.

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby stephennewton » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:18 pm

Good to see the Tory boys out in force. The last time I enjoyed a debate with some Tories was at Thatcher's funeral, which made for an absolutely fabulous day out. Up here, you rarely come across one. It's just a shame the one's up here are so ill-tempered, preferring to attack the person and so avoid the argument.

TossPot appears to be under the misimpression that the policy of managed decline was only revealed when secret papers were published under the thirty year rule. Members of the city council and others who were around then, can recall being briefed on managed decline by relevant ministers and civil servants. It wasn't secret. Obviously, they rebelled and you'll know the metropolitan authorities and GLC were abolished because the people refused to elect councillors who would implement central government diktats. I've no doubt that TossPot will say this is a lie and present an alternative universe where a semi-socialist Thatcher advocated a redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer parts of the country. Whatever.

Blenkinsop claims suppression of street peddlers has brought the local economy to its knees. I'm sceptical, but maybe he can supply some reliable statistics that show how much wealthier cities that tolerate street peddlers are. I can't be bothered to research this myself.

Blenkinsop then deploys the red herring argument that regeneration has not been funded by the city council. It's true that council tax covers a small proportion of spending and is capped so the council couldn't raise millions to fund regeneration if it wanted to. So yes, Manchester turns to Europe and others. It has to compete for this money and Manchester has a particularly good track record in beating off competitor cities for funds. Time and time again the city demonstrates that it enjoys visionary strategic leadership that delivers.

A good example was the Commonwealth Games, which the city council did not pay for, but was certainly responsible for bringing to the city. In the late 1990s, my foolish younger self was a member of the Lib Dems and walked out in disgust at their plans to fabricate scare stories around the games, which they were sure would fail. Tories sneered at Manchester's bid.

The IRA bomb certainly did accelerate regeneration. Exchange Square is a centerpiece. But it is simply not true to say Manchester was not enjoying regeneration before. Castlefield, for example, was changed beyond all recognition in the early 1990s. In fact, this part of the city suffered after the bomb which drew attention away from it. Continued regeneration, particularly that on-going in the Northern Quarter (which is a fabulous bohemian contrast to Exchange Square) and St. Peters Square cannot be put down to the bomb.

Anyway. Perhaps when TossPot closes her/his eyes, this is the vision of a Chorlton Thatcher that comes into his/her mind's eye:
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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby TossPot » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:52 pm

stephennewton wrote:preferring to attack the person and so avoid the argument.
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Nope. I called you on two specific untruths in your original post. The article you yourself linked in your defence confirmed them to be untruths, as do many other articles accessible via a few clicks on Google. You've been caught out as a lying shit and you're still skirting the issue (sorry for the repetition here folks)

stephennewton wrote:TossPot appears to be under the misimpression that the policy of managed decline was only revealed when secret papers were published under the thirty year rule. Members of the city council and others who were around then, can recall being briefed on managed decline by relevant ministers and civil servants.
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Ah, previously you were telling us that this was "well documented". Now it's special inside 'folk knowledge' among Labour Party members / supporters. I see.

stephennewton wrote:I've no doubt that TossPot will say this is a lie and present an alternative universe where a semi-socialist Thatcher advocated a redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer parts of the country.
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Nope. I have no need to make stuff up, and it would be a gross insult to Thatcher (or anyone else) to suggest she/they were stupid/wicked enough to be a socialist.

stephennewton wrote:I can't be bothered to research this myself.


Research isn't really your style is it? Far easier just to make shit up, and the right-on crowd will lap it up.

And you gloat at funerals.

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby annie » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:19 am

I wonder what it's like to be a Tory in Chorlton? To know that 90% of your fellow residents firmly believe you're a antihuman wanker of the highest degree....

I suppose they might think they are "trailblazing"... or "principled", rather than "following the herd".... proud to support policies which effectively kill off the poor, divert wealth to the well-off and fragment communities.

They've probably never needed a welfare safety net and as such mistakenly believe those that do are some kind of scum.

One thing's for sure, when you get their dander up on Chorlton Web, they don't half come across as cVnts. :)
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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby blenkinsop » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:05 pm

Thanks, you self appointed voice of the people.

You constantly harangue anyone who doesn't agree with your outdated and failed mantra, nobody goes on about political allegiances, except yourself.

Why don't you F off to North Korea, unless that's where you already post from.

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby annie » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:54 pm

blenkinsop wrote:Thanks, you self appointed voice of the people.

You constantly harangue anyone who doesn't agree with your outdated and failed mantra, nobody goes on about political allegiances, except yourself.

Why don't you F off to North Korea, unless that's where you already post from.

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I rest my case. :D
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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby Danny » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:24 pm

Funnily enough, in the time I've lived around here, some of my politics have actually shifted to what might - inadequately - be called 'the right', and it's partly due to frustration with self-satisfied left-wingers, their cognitive bias and hyperbole.

To a Chorlton Tory's credit, as much as I'd disagree with most of their positions, it's likely they've given them more considered thought than your average left-winger.

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby annie » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:13 am

Danny wrote:Funnily enough, in the time I've lived around here, some of my politics have actually shifted to what might - inadequately - be called 'the right', and it's partly due to frustration with self-satisfied left-wingers, their cognitive bias and hyperbole.

To a Chorlton Tory's credit, as much as I'd disagree with most of their positions, it's likely they've given them more considered thought than your average left-winger.


Quite a typical reaction from a Tory... that "the left" don't think, or rather are ignorant and somehow stupid.

The difference is that "the left" (whatever that really means) usually put people before profit, on absolutely every level.

I also question the morals of any Briton who has shifted "to the right" over the last four years, as the rotting scum that is the ConDems systematically go about ruining the education system, building the foundations AND ground floor for NHS privatisation, selling off more UK assets like the Royal Mail, continuously lying about the reasons for the recession in the first place, siphoning wealth from the poorest to the richest. Again. And demonising all welfare claimants.

In other words, a Chorlton Tory would not only be out of step with his or her local community, but seriously deluded, at a fundamental level.
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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby gitface » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:39 am

Although it's quite a novel thing for me, I have to agree with Annie. All I ever hear from dyed in the wool tories is that I'm obviously lacking in education (I've heard that on this very thread) or that I haven't put enough thought into whatever it is under discussion. Neither assertion could be further from the truth.

There's nothing wrong with being a fiscal conservative (small "c"; in principle and in an ideal world) while retaining a belief in the benefits of Keynsian economic thinking in the current situation, and being socially liberal. There's no contradiction there unless you're actually trying to impersonate Gideon and Dave. For example, I don't think anyone benefits from demonising and impoverishing "the underclasss", even though I choose to fund my incredibly lavish footballerish lifestyle through my own efforts. :shock:

Don't tell me I'm stupid or unthinking just because I don't immediately appear to agree with you chaps. That's all.

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby disappointedofm21 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:45 am

I agree with Annie..

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby Richard_H » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:25 pm

How do you think a UKIP Chorlton MP might fare?

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Re: Manchester house price rise higher than London

Postby TossPot » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:57 pm

gitface wrote:There's nothing wrong with being a fiscal conservative (small "c"; in principle and in an ideal world) while retaining a belief in the benefits of Keynsian economic thinking in the current situation, and being socially liberal.


Good post. I'd have to disagree with you on the Keynsiansim though. M Hollande and his government have been providing us with a wonderful benchmark for the impact of Keynsian economics*, when contrasted with the successful approach 'Gideon and Dave' have followed, in the face of howling opposition of the left. That's a considered disagreement to a considered position though, so I would see no need to be rude to you over it.

Annie on the other hand doesn't advance thoughful arguments. She just resorts to lazy stereotypes, whilst claiming some sort of moral high-mindedness for her left wing view (neatly overlooking the fact that Socialism was the largest man-made cause of human suffering and economic failure in the 20th Century). Her 'arguments' tend to be along the lines of "Tories are greedy . . . mean . . . steal from the poor . . ." Nothing of substance. Nothing properly considered. Little more than slogans really. Frankly just more evidence that she's thick as pig shit.

*I'm referring there of course to his borking of the French economy and his humiliating turnaround having now to adopt more 'Tory style' economics, rather than to his nocturnal activities.
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