What has Gove been up to?

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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby blenkinsop » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:50 am

Stanley wrote:There's an interesting article in the Spectator written by someone who liked Michael Gove and his policies very much...until he met him.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/915 ... hael-gove/

blekinsop, "Anyone who has had any exposure to teachers / teaching in our schools, will know the score. New and enthusiastic entrants to the teaching profession are appalled by the lack of quality / standards, but daren't say anything for fear of negative career impact."

It's hard to know where to start with that but let's just say that every single part of that is simply not true according to my varied experience of teachers, new and old.


The smell of vested interest or naivete pervades your comment. I suspect the latter.

My statement is based on personal experience, and the views of newly qualified teachers on their early secondments at various schools in the north west, both in leafy suburbs (where parents expressing an interest in their child's education are treated and referred to as a pain in the arse), and sink estates where teaching is appalling by any civilised standard.

The reality is that many teachers do not like change, and when their boat is rocked, all manner of distortion is applied to defend the indefensible. My comments are based on teaching standards today, not some distant past (when it was actually worse than today, in any case!).

You are entitled to your opinion, but when you talk nonsense, without any basis in fact, you have to accept that you will be challenged.

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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby Stanley » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:28 pm

You are entitled to your opinion, but when you talk nonsense, without any basis in fact, you have to accept that you will be challenged.

My statement is based on personal experience, and the views of newly qualified and well established teachers on their early steps into the world of teaching at various schools in the north west, south west, south east and midlands both in leafy suburbs and areas where the parents are generally less affluent.

The only difference between the way you see it and the way I see it is our own perceptions. The truth remains the same no matter what we might think or what insults anyone might throw.

The truth is likely that people are people and people fail. Add politics into the mix and it all gets a bit vitriolic. Beneath all that, people make mistakes. Teachers are people. People can be brilliant. Teachers are people.

Politicians also make mistakes. I'm yet to experience a brilliant one.
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby TossPot » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:51 pm

Stanley wrote:There's an interesting article in the Spectator written by someone who liked Michael Gove and his policies very much...until he met him.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/915 ... hael-gove/


Thanks for that link Stanley. It's a good article, though I think Horowitz's concerns are actually more about Gove's powers and his single-mindedness than about his policies or personality. If people are going to attack (or challenge) Gove, it's good to see them do so on the basis of powers or policies. Most of the attacks I do see are either just on the basis that lefties don't like him (Which is a good sign. If somethng pisses off lefties it's probably a good idea, and anyway, pissing off lefties is an inherrently virtuous activity), or they're groundless rubbish such as the original (non-)issue raised in this thread. Horowitz's article is a useful contribution to the debate.

Anyway, I'm not going to get drawn into eductation policy. It's too big a subject to do justice to here and we'll all just aend up agreeing to disagree. I'll stick to calling out gullible / disingenuous or downright untruthful leftie nonsense.
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby Stanley » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:17 pm

Could you also call out gullible / disingenuous or downright untruthful right-wing nonsense too? Just so we know you're not biassed.

Gove's single-mindedness is part of his personality and directly relevant to the role he performs. For example, where one of his policies is not working (Free schools), he refuses to accept it and blunders on thereby alienating Horowitz (who previously supported him and his policy of free Schools).

Of course there are attacks on Gove by people who don't like him. It's why they don't like him that matters. Many don't like him because of what he is doing to the education system. You like it. I don't.
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby annie » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:24 pm

Let's make it simple.

Gove's a dick.

He's wrecking the education system just like Hunt is wrecking the NHS.

It's what Tories do.

They are, plainly, dicks, as are anyone who espouses their perverted ideology

Thus endeth the lesson.
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby freeguitarlesson » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:26 pm

Well, this all seems alittle bit over my head, I'll just leave a much-re-posted cartoon and then be on my way...

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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby TossPot » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:42 pm

Oh dear. The trout's started on the cider already. Bit early in the day isn't it?
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby annie » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:09 pm

freeguitarlesson wrote:Well, this all seems alittle bit over my head, I'll just leave a much-re-posted cartoon and then be on my way...




Sadly, this applies to most politicians, of all parties... people with no professional experience in the subjects they systematically destroy.

Gove is just the latest fetid example of this heinous system. Labour-bred, Unionised and all betrayed for his lust for money and power. A proper politician, you might say.

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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby freeguitarlesson » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:33 pm

annie wrote:
freeguitarlesson wrote:Well, this all seems alittle bit over my head, I'll just leave a much-re-posted cartoon and then be on my way...




Sadly, this applies to most politicians, of all parties... people with no professional experience in the subjects they systematically destroy.

Gove is just the latest fetid example of this heinous system. Labour-bred, Unionised and all betrayed for his lust for money and power. A proper politician, you might say.

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Just look at him! I'm not suggesting anything libelous, but you wouldn't leave your kids with him would you? Which is ironic, I suppose.
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Re: What has Gove been up to?

Postby eddy » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Speaking as the husband of a senior grade teacher I can confirm she thinks Gove is destroying the education system, but lets not let her opinion get in the way of a good old Tory rout.

Incidentally she isnt in the slightest bit a left leaning nobber and neither am I, however the damage is painfully obvious even for those who dont read socialist worker


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