Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby stephennewton » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:48 pm

Ollie's comment reminds me of standing behind someone in Little Chef who was asking why eggs were off the menu, but omelettes were not. The answer was that the omelettes arrive ready made and frozen. The cooks are not required to be so skilled they can make an omelette from scratch. There's always been a strong tendency among the British in favour of fairly simple, bland food and Wetherspoons do cater to that market very well. Good for them. As Ollie says they keep the cost down by avoiding the need for skilled k*tchen staff.

And while it's true those Little Chef omelettes are mass produced in a factory somewhere, highly processed and quite old by the time someone warms them up, I still enjoy them. So I can identify with Blenkinsop's love of Wetherspoons Egg Benedict. Lavazza is to espresso what Mellow Birds is to instant and so perfectly in keeping and Blenk should not have to get used to the bitterness of a more authentic espresso, if he doesn't want to.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby munchkin » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:17 pm

just because something is mass produced it doesn't mean it tastes bad or is of poor quality , that is a bit too simplistic. I had some food in a wetherspoons the other day and it was OK . Not great , not terrible but OK. BUT it was good value for money - better than I have had in some restaurants for twice the price and a lot better than many other pubs I have eaten in.

how someone eating a little chef omelette could ever think it was produced with fresh eggs is beyond me...

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby blenkinsop » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:14 pm

ollie_the_brave wrote:
annie wrote:
blenkinsop wrote:As it happens, I was in the Sedge this morning, and devoured an excellent Eggs Benedict washed down by a Lavazza. There were about 30 people in, and more arriving (11am).

The profile was far from geriatric, maybe 50% were middle aged and more, the remainder were students, and generally quite young professionals, and plenty of local tradesmen.

The last time I went there was for a Sunday Lunch (4 of us), it was absolutely rammed, took us a while to get a table. There were plenty of yummy mummies in that day, but thankfully no dogs.

Weatherspoons are the busiest, and best run Pub / Restaurant in Chorlton, by a country mile. Seating / tables / flooring are a bit battered, could do with a refurb. The young staff appear genuinely enthusiastic and helpful, and they know more about quality beers than any of their competitors.


Hhhhhmmm. So our multi award winning and nominated Parlour is not within 'a country mile' of Wetherspoons. Bollocks.
"They know more about beer' than the staff of Font, The Bar, The Beech, Parlour, The Marble, The Beagle (I could go on but don't want to embarrass you further). Crap.

I worked for some considerable time supplying date coding equipment into the food and pharmaceutical industries. The main suppliers to Wetherspoons were one of my customers. The 'food' is packaged into 5 or 6 colour coded microwaveable containers and the Wetherspoons microwaves are colour coded to match (ie for a green meal press the green button and the microwave will be preprogrammed to come on at the right setting for the right time). Empty this onto a plate and serve.

Bet those eggs were superb.

Its that cheap for a reason; no spam - sorry, no spam - sorry staff, no fresh produce, single supply chain and mass produced. Churned out to plenty of folk who aren't bothered by the quality of what they eat or who aren't able to afford better quality food.

The beer is however generally OK. However you are rarely going to see any very local cutting edge brewers at their (or any) nationwide chain of that size, which is where some of our excellent beer driven pubs differ.

Good to hear that there is a pub in Chorlton which isn't infested with dogs though.


I believe the Sedge Lynn sells more beer and food in a week, than all the pubs combined, to which you refer. Such a turnover does require a modicum of expertise.

As a company Wetherspoons have more awards than you can shake a stick at, including from CAMRA. I note you didn't suggest they microwave the beer, which in terms of quality is as good if not better than anything else out there, at a price everyone can afford.

The fact you sold label guns in the dim and distant past, and had your head filled with shite, via a 3rd party - should not colour your views in 2015.

There are loads of 'guest ales' on offer at Wetherspoons on a permanent basis, even cutting edge (my arse).
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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby blenkinsop » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:25 pm

stephennewton wrote:Ollie's comment reminds me of standing behind someone in Little Chef who was asking why eggs were off the menu, but omelettes were not. The answer was that the omelettes arrive ready made and frozen. The cooks are not required to be so skilled they can make an omelette from scratch. There's always been a strong tendency among the British in favour of fairly simple, bland food and Wetherspoons do cater to that market very well. Good for them. As Ollie says they keep the cost down by avoiding the need for skilled k*tchen staff.

And while it's true those Little Chef omelettes are mass produced in a factory somewhere, highly processed and quite old by the time someone warms them up, I still enjoy them. So I can identify with Blenkinsop's love of Wetherspoons Egg Benedict. Lavazza is to espresso what Mellow Birds is to instant and so perfectly in keeping and Blenk should not have to get used to the bitterness of a more authentic espresso, if he doesn't want to.


What are you on about?

Clearly you don't know what Eggs Benedict are.

Espresso isn't a brand! All coffee brands are available in Espresso form.

To compare Wetherspoons to a failed concept like Little Chef, is a trifle desperate.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby annie » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:36 pm

I'd rather have ANYTHING Weatherspoons are serving than ANYTHING from McDonalds.

Their "microwaved" steaks are particularly nice. :roll:
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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby still_ill » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:55 pm

I eat out around Chorlton several times a week, not because i'm particularly flush but due to bone-idleness. I prefer not to drink in Wetherspoons, but mainly because of the clientele. Not being judgemental of them, i just tend to bump into people in there who i don't wish to socialise with - people from school, college, former jobs, etc, and local faces who i'm on nodding terms with and rather wouldn't be.

I used to be a real Wetherspoons snob, and in truth i probably had good reason. The beer was, for many years, dreadful. Them expanding into proper real ales and craft ales has been dictated by general trends, and over recent years they've drastically expanded their product range whilst keeping prices low during times when many people don't have too much spare money. Their food has also hugely improved. Yes, it's frozen and recooked in microwaves, but it's not absolute shite, plenty of their dishes do taste quite nice and are no less healthy than what you'd expect in most other establishments.

It's very easy to be snobbish about this sort of thing, i do it myself sometimes when i'm quite bored, but in reality Wetherspoons not only fills a huge gap in the market, but are a huge employer, and pay massive amounts of tax. I absolutely guarantee you that if one of their microwave-cooked dishes was smuggled over to the Beagle, The Bar, Font, or any other trendier, less stigmatized rival and served to you for twice the price you wouldn't know and you wouldn't go away disappointed.

In short - grow the f*ck up.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby stephennewton » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:42 am

Blenk
It's highly unlikely anyone (not even Wetherspoons) outsells McDonalds or KFC. That doesn't mean the are Chorlton's best food offerings, but that they cater to lowest common denominator.

It is amusing that you felt sophisticated washing down your ham and eggs with Lavazza which, as I said, lacks the bitterness of more authentic espressos (even the Italians have a lowest common denominator). I suspect you'd be just as happy with a filter coffee, served with milk on the side and demerara sugar. For a more authentic espresso you could try the Spoon Inn which serves various blends from Has Bean or Serendipitea which serves Monmouth Coffee, but you would most likely find them challenging.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby blenkinsop » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:24 pm

Tut Tut Stephen, porkies are slipping in to your posts again. Nobody has suggested that Wetherspoons outsells McDs or KFC, apart from yourself.

Poseurs that on the one hand criticise a downmarket but successful pub business, then buy bread rolls from Aldi (rather than spending money at Pret a Manger), are clearly contradicting themselves.

I'm not sure that your critique of Lavazza holds any water, either.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby annie » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:34 pm

It's one of Chorlton less appealing characteristics... food snobbery.

The notion that if you eat a certain kind of food from a certain kind of venue, that it somehow makes you a lesser person, or even a "lowest common denominator'.

It's a form of dehumanisation, and, quite frankly, is utterly repellant.

You're making lots of friends here at the moment, Stephen.
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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby lister » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:49 pm

To be fair the sedge lynn is one of the drabber wetherspoons I've been in and could do with a bit of tarting up.

Their food is okish:

- The burgers have fallen somewhat behind what everyone else is offering, so I'd gladly pay twice the price in the beagle for the difference
- The curries are pretty bland, the rice isn't great and the bread is just stodge. The whole plate is generally a pain to eat with popadums, a plastic carton of mango chutney, naan bread, rice and then a seperate dish with curry in.
- The breakfasts however are phenomenal value, the only thing letting the breakfasts down is having to sit next to an auld fella 3 pints in at 11 am coughing his guts up.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby ollie_the_brave » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:55 pm

blenkinsop wrote:I believe the Sedge Lynn sells more beer and food in a week, than all the pubs combined, to which you refer. Such a turnover does require a modicum of expertise.


Please supply some information to support this wild claim, until you do so I'm saying you are making it up.

blenkinsop wrote:The fact you sold label guns in the dim and distant past, and had your head filled with shite, via a 3rd party - should not colour your views in 2015.


Please supply me with the details of the '3rd party' who filled my head with shite as I'm keen to know. My comments are based on my own first hand experience both within their supply chain and seeing this system implemented within their pub network.
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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby munchkin » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:06 pm

stephennewton wrote:Blenk
It's highly unlikely anyone (not even Wetherspoons) outsells McDonalds or KFC. That doesn't mean the are Chorlton's best food offerings, but that they cater to lowest common denominator.

It is amusing that you felt sophisticated washing down your ham and eggs with Lavazza which, as I said, lacks the bitterness of more authentic espressos (even the Italians have a lowest common denominator). I suspect you'd be just as happy with a filter coffee, served with milk on the side and demerara sugar. For a more authentic espresso you could try the Spoon Inn which serves various blends from Has Bean or Serendipitea which serves Monmouth Coffee, but you would most likely find them challenging.


You clearly don't know much about coffee or coffee making.

1. There are many different Lavazza blends - you probably don't know which one is being referred to
2. The quality of the finished coffee depends on many things not just the bean used. Water temperature , pressure, cleanness of the machine, etc, etc.
3. Are they using beans or ready ground - what grind is being used.

Have you even tried the coffee in the Sedge ? If not then you are not really qualified to comment on it. If you have and you prefer other places then fine but don't get too far up your own bottom about it

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby annie » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:12 pm

Tell you what, learn how to use quotes, ollie, and maybe we'll bother talking to you.
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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby blenkinsop » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:01 pm

Make your mind up Ollie, in your original post you stated that the main suppliers to Wetherspoons were one of your customers, implying that was your source of info on Wetherspoons operating methods. Now you are saying it's your 'own first hand experience'. Fantasy Island I suggest, you're making it up as you go along.

With reference to your query on turnover at the Sedge Lynn, compared to your named venues - if they take more than £50k per week between them, then I am wrong. Cottage industry type venues, some of which are open only part time, bear no comparison to a volume operation, opening from 8am till late, daily. Do the sums.

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Re: Anyone else tried Chorlton's new wine bar yet?

Postby lister » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:13 pm

At an approximation I'd say that those bars combined take in excess of £200k

The sedge lynn likely pulls in between 30-45k a week


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